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Paul Kingsnorth's avatar

Well, I did read it and I'm happy to respond! Thanks in turn for responding to me.

Firstly, please drop all the nonsense about me being 'somebody' and you being 'nobody.' Both of us know that's rubbish in the eyes of God. I'm a professional writer and so my words get out widely (after decades of trying) because that's my trade. That doesn't make them any truer or less true than yours, or anyone else's.

There's a lot of food for thought here, and I thank you for it. Let me me just say two things in response.

Firstly, and most importantly, you are misrepresenting what I am saying here. Perhaps this is my fault for not saying it clearly enough. But you say this:

'Mr. Kingsnorth seems to see such calls to action as a purely Western artifact — the West’s “Big Idea” as he calls it. He links it to the Western man’s seemingly disproportionate fondness for abstraction. But action — the physical doing of a thing — is not an abstraction. You might even say it’s the opposite of abstract.'

This is true - which is why I said exactly the same thing myself in the essay:

'Still, activism and action are not the same thing. Nobody is called on to be inactive, as if such a thing were even possible. Jesus was so active in the world that he regularly needed to retire from it just to get his breath back. Sitting in a cave all day praying is certainly a form of action: try it if you don’t believe me. But most of us are ‘in the world’, and so the world will challenge us. It will bring us evils like this. What are we to do with them? Stand up for the truth in love. Practice what we claim to believe. Loving our enemies implies that we have enemies - and we have them because we stand for something. Being called out of the world tends to make you unpopular.'

I think this is quite clear. The question is not 'shall I be active or not?' The question is 'what does that mean, for a Christian?' As you say, that question will never really be resolved. We can all accuse each other of getting it wrong, as people have been doing for 2000 years.

For my part, I think that what Christ is teaching amounts to what has been called for a long time 'non violent direct action.' I have practiced this myself over the years. Tolstoy and Gandhi both preached and practiced it, directly influenced by the gospels. I think St Moses did too, and many other saints. It seems to me to be a response which responds both to the need for action and to the need not to become evil by battling evil (which is what I think Jesus was warning us about.)

There is also a clear distinction, as you say yourself, between evil aimed at you and evil aimed at another. If my children are attacked, I am not going to stand by passively. I am going to defend them, because there is no greater love than laying down a life for a friend. This influenced, for example, someone like Dietrich Bonheoffer in World War Two, who practised non violent resistance against the Nazis and did what he could to save the Jews, but refused to take up arms. That seems to me to be the practical Christian response to tyranny. Action, informed by the gospel - but not 'activism' as an abstract 'change the world' ideological response.

As for 'God isn't crazy.' Well, no - but, as Jesus teaches clearly, and St Paul does too, perhaps even more so, God's values are not those of 'the world.' What God, and Jesus, want from us certainly seems 'crazy' in the eyes of the world and according to its values. 'Do not resist evil' is violently resisted by many Christians for precisely that reason. And yet the early martyrs took it seriously, and died in their thousands practising it. Were they 'crazy'? In the world's eyes, certainly. But in God's?

As an Orthodox Christian I am heavily influenced by the early Church, the desert fathers and the monastic saints, among whom all these teachings are found, related more clearly than I could ever relate them. I am not a theologian either, as you can see.

All the best, and thanks for responding.

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The Inmate's avatar

Thanks, Mark. I'll take this essay over 99% of the sermons I've heard in my lifetime. My experience, having been raised in a Christian/Fundamentalist culture, is that people overthink these things (I did for years) and attempt to take everything so literally in an attempt to be so "spiritual", they abandon common sense, the common sense God gave us. Have a Merry Christmas...

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